Eliza Burgess ⁵

Born: Cal 27 Nov 1869, Salford, Cheshire, England
Christened: 2 Jan 1870, Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England
Marriage (1): Oswald James Augustus Weakley on 10 Jun 1896 in Parish Church of Brighton, Brighton, East Sussex, England
Marriage (2): Joe Marsden on 16 Sep 1905 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa
Died: 27 Jun 1935, Durban, Kwazulu-Natal, South Africa aged about 65

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bullet General Notes:

Info ex Dorri Roughley:-
* She appeared as a Scholar on the census in 1881 in Navigation Hotel, New Road, Over, Winsford, Cheshire.
* She had a residence on 10 Jun 1896 in St Clements, Longsight, Lancashire.
* She resided (Kelly's Directory) in 1899 in Roseneath, Vale Road, St Leonards, Hastings.
* She appeared as a Draper's Assistant on the census in 1901 in 19-87, 91-93 High Street, Putney, London.

bullet Birth Notes:

1871 Census gives her birth place as Over, Cheshire, England.

And

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDBirth&h=35307903&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=8912

And

Eliza Marsden
born - Salford, Cheshire, England
died - 27 June 1935 - 64 years 7 months - Sanatorium, Durban
Father - Thomas Burgess
Mother - Hannah Burgess
married - in Maritzburg in CoP
occupation - housewife
Childred
Eloise Doreen Marsden 29
Herbert Clayton Marsden 26
Cyril Thomas Marsden 23

Daughter - E D Marsden present at death.

The above calculation gives her birth Cal 27 Nov 1870
This is impossible if she was christened on 2 Jan 1870

I believe there to be an error and she was in fact 65 years and 7 months
Which would make her born about 27 Nov 1869

bullet Christening Notes:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3VZ-9YD

bullet Death Notes:

Eliza Marsden
born - Salford, Cheshire, England
died - 27 June 1935 - 64 years 7 months - Sanatorium, Durban
Father - Thomas Burgess
Mother - Hannah Burgess
married - in Maritzburg in CoP
occupation - housewife
Childred
Eloise Doreen Marsden 29
Herbert Clayton Marsden 26
Cyril Thomas Marsden 23

Daughter - E D Marsden present at death.

bullet Sources of information or noted events in her life were:

• General Comment. ²³ Noted events in her life were:

• She appeared on the census in 1871 in New Road, Over, Cheshire.
• She appeared as a Scholar on the census in 1881 in Navigation Hotel, New Road, Over, Winsford, Cheshire.
• She appeared as a Shop Assistant on the census in 1891 in 153 Shrewsbury Street, Stretford, Lancashire.
• She had a residence on 10 Jun 1896 in St Clements, Longsight, Lancashire.
• She resided at Kelly's Directory in 1899 in Roseneath, Vale Road, St Leonards, Hastings.
• She appeared as a Draper's Assistant on the census in 1901 in 19-87, 91-93 High Street, Putney, London.

• General Comment. ²³ Dorri Roughley Writes:-

"There seems to be something a little strange about Oswald and his wife Eliza Burgess. I have had a look at Eliza's life, and have yet to fully record it on my system. She appears to have grown up in a riverside inn, the Navigation Hotel, on the River Weaver, at Over, Winsford, Cheshire. By the time she was 11 her father had died, leaving her mother, Hannah, to run the inn, it is probable that they did not actually own the inn, but paid rent to a landlord. An inn like this would have had boat people as it's main clients, as this river had been adapted to take boats and barges from the salt mines and chemical works and at this point is known as the River Weaver Navigation. Last time I was in the area (about 7 years ago) I saw cargo boats still using the river as the mines and some of the works still exsist. Generally 'Hotels' like this did not have a very good reputation. The Navigation Hotel no longer exsists so I cannot judge it by it's size, and I have not found anything to suggest that it was anything but an inn for the boat people. By 1891 the family had moved to Stretford, which is now part of Manchester, and Eliza was working as a shop assistant. Stretford is not too far from Moss Side where Oswald was 'caught' on the 1891 census.

By now Oswald's father James had retired to Hastings. I get the general feeling that James was a very wealthy man, richer than his brother Samuel. This is reflected in the very 'good' marriage his daughter Ada had made to James Meers in 1884. So I wonder what James thought of his new daughter-in-law, who did not come from a well to do background. On the wedding certificate she declared that her father was a Hotel Proprietor. Within a year of the marriage Oswald had died of TB which he had been suffering from for 18 months. I would have expected James to have supported his widowed daughter-in-law, but it appears he did not. In the 1901 census she is working as Draper's assistant in Putney, London, and living in the shop's accommodation, effectively back to what she doing before her marriage. I cannot find any trace of her after 1901.".

• Web Based Info. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Oswald&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Weakley&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=iof&cp=11&pcat=34&h=30514121&recoff=3+5&db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=1

And

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=izuFyIgmLGhsETUg8Yxphg&scan=1

• Census: UK, 1871. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=eliza&gsfn_x=NIC&gsln=burgess&gsln_x=XO&msbdy=1870&msbdy_x=1&cpxt=1&uidh=iof&msbdp=1&cp=11&pcat=CEN_1870&h=24796386&db=uki1871&indiv=1

• Census: UK, 1881. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=1462933&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=7619

• Census: UK, 1891. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1891&h=4811092&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=7572

• Census: UK, 1901. This census lists her as a "servant" as well as a "drapers assistant" and a "widow" aged 31.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=LNDRG13_490_491-0146&fn=Eliza&ln=Weekley&st=r&ssrc=&pid=3678029

Eliza married Oswald James Augustus Weakley, son of James Weakley and Jane Hinson, on 10 Jun 1896 in Parish Church of Brighton, Brighton, East Sussex, England. (Oswald James Augustus Weakley was born in 1865 in Balsall Heath, Worcestershire, England and died on 7 Mar 1897 in Brighton, East Sussex, England.)

bullet Sources of information or n events in their marriage were:

Eliza next married Joe Marsden on 16 Sep 1905 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa. (Joe Marsden was born calculated 16 Sep 1874.)

bullet Sources of information or n events in their marriage were:

• Web Based Info. Copy of original Marriage Cert in RAB's possession.

And

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDCG-K6G
Witnesses:-
? Burgess
H. Marsden

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Eliza Burgess ⁵