Lijsbeth Jans

Born: Bef 2 Sep 1663, , Cape Colony, South Africa
Marriage (1): Johann Andresen on 15 Oct 1684 in Cape Town, Cape Colony, South Africa
Marriage (2): Hinrich Loos about 1700

Family Links

Spouses/Children:

1. Johann Andresen

Regina van Ahrendtsdorf+

(+ Shows person has known children.)

bullet Birth Notes:

http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/person/Johann-Andresen-Jan-de-Jonker-a/148888701-1015212

bullet Christening Notes:

Robertson, Delia. The First Fifty Years Project. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g6/p6281.html
Lijsbeth Jans may be the individual who was baptized on 2 September 1663 de Caep de Goede Hoop

bullet Death Notes:

http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/person/Johann-Andresen-Jan-de-Jonker-a/148888701-1015212
Says died in 1698
This is imposible since she was having children in 1703.

bullet Sources of information or noted events in her life were:

• Web Based Info. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g6/p6281.html
Lijsbeth Jans
F, #6281, b. before 2 September 1663
Mother-Candidate* Regina van Rapenberg van Guinea1 b. c 1650
Father-Disproved Jan Luy van Ceylon b. c 1650; It seems clear to me that Jan Luij van Ceylon could not have been the father of Lijsbeth Jans. His daughter was baptised Maria, the records suggest the relationship between Jan and Dina van Cochin began around 1680, and Lijsbeth Jans and Johann Andresen were married in 1684 and had a child by 1685.2,3
NGK (Cape Town) Baptisms 1665-1695 NGK (Cape Town) Baptisms 1665-1695
NGK (Cape Town) Marriages1665-1695 NGK (Cape Town) Marriages 1665-1695
NGK Stellenbosch Baptisms 1688-1732 NGK Stellenbosch Baptisms 1688-1732
BirthSlave* Lijsbeth Jans was born in bondage, before 2 September 1663, de Caep de Goede Hoop.4
Baptism-Candidate Lijsbeth Jans may be the individual who was baptized on 2 September 1663 de Caep de Goede Hoop.4
Marriage* She married Hinrich Loos circa 1700.5

Marriage She married Johann Andresen on 15 October 1684 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, (Cape Town), de Caep de Goede Hoop.6,7

Name Variation Lijsbeth Jans was also known as Elijsabeth van de Caep.
(WitnessCandidate) Baptism Lijsbeth Jans, Lysbeth Jansz and Lysbet Jansz potentially witnessed the baptism of Weijntje Holmorsen van Seurwaarden on 29 June 1670 (Cape Town), this witness has not been positively identified.8
Duplicate?* It is possible that Lysbet Jansz and Lijsbeth Jans are the same individual.
(Witness) Baptism She and Lambart van Hoff witnessed the baptism of Leendert Oelofse on 20 August 1690 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Stellenbosch, de Caep de Goede Hoop.9,10
NameRecord 24 July 1712, the name of Lijsbeth Jans was written in the record as Lijsbeth Jansen.11
(Witness) Baptism She and Hinrich Loos witnessed the baptism of Katrina van Eden on 24 July 1712 Stellenbosch.11 See: Baptism of Katrina van Eden
NameRecord 18 June 1713, the name of Lijsbeth Jans was written in the record as Lysebet Janse.12
(Witness) Baptism She witnessed the baptism of Jan Andries Ahrendtsdorf on 18 June 1713 Stellenbosch.12 See: Baptism of of Jan Andries Jansse
(Witness) Baptism She and Hans Jurgen Potgieter witnessed the baptism of Maria Jacobz on 29 January 1719 Stellenbosch.13
(Witness) Baptism She and Andries van Ahrendtsdorf witnessed the baptism of Cornelis Campher on 4 May 1721 Stellenbosch.14
Family 1 Johann Andresen b. c 1654, d. c 1698
Children ?Lourens van Ahrendtsdorf+7 b. 29 Jul 1685
?Regina van Ahrendtsdorf+7 b. 11 May 1692
?Andries van Ahrendtsdorf7 b. 2 Oct 1694

Family 2 Hinrich Loos b. c 1670
Children ?Catharina Loos+15 b. b 21 Aug 1701
?Geertruy Loos16 b. 1703

Citations
1.[S356] E-mails from Mansell Upham (e-mail address) to Delia Robertson, 2000 to 2008 (Personal Library, Email Upham) "The mother-daughter relationship between Regina and Lijsbeth is unlikely ever to be proved due to lack of documents that might do so. Mansell Upham, a researcher who has intensly researched the women of this period, says that he reached the conclusion these could be mother and daughter because he has eliminated all other candidates. The candidate relationship has been included in this dataset, to alert researchers to this possibility in the remote hope that in time, someone will stumble across evidence to prove or disprove it."
2.[S545] J.L. (Leon) Hattingh Die Eerste Vryswartes van Stellenbosch 1679 - 1720, Wes-Kaaplandse Instituut vir Historiese Navorsing, Tygerberg, Cape Town, (1981) 0-909075-65-4 "Waarskynlik was die dogter se naam Elisabeth en het sy die vrou van Jan Andriesze van Ryssen (of Arendsdorp), ook bekend as Jan de Jonker, geword. Laasgenoemde was getroud met 'n Lijsbeth Jansz van die Kaap wie se ouers nie anders bekend is nie. Lijsbeth het na die dood van Jan Andriesze in 1698 weer met Hendrik Loos in die huwelik getree. Alhoewel Lijsbeth Jansz en Jan Andriesze reeds in Julie 1685 'n seun gedoop het asook 'n dogter in Mei 1692, is dit tog nie onmoontlik dat Jan van Ceylon haar nog as sy dogter kon opgegee het nie."
3.[S325] Lorna Newcomb and Ockert Malan, compilers, Annale van Nederduits Gereformeerde Moedergemeente Stellenbosch No 1.., CD-ROM (Stellenbosch) Die Genootskap vir die Kerkversameling, 2004 0-9584832-1-3), Baptism Register, Lorna:
Hulle kinders het die van `Van Ahrendtsdorf' gebruik. Jan sterf c1697. Lysbet se tweede huwelik was met Heinrich Loos. Sommige navorsers beweer dat Lysbet die dogter van Jan van Ceylon, alias Jan Leuij, was, maar dit is onbevestig.. Hereinafter cited as Palmkronieke I Baptisms.
4.[S397] NGK G1 1/1, Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Bapt.), 1665-1695: September Anno 1663
Den selffden dag (2 Septebmer) . . . de andere twee sijn onechte kinderen van slavinnen gebooren, waervan het eene is genaemt Anna ende het ander Elijsabeth., transcribed by Richard Ball, Norfolk, England, (May 2006), Genealogical Society of South Africa, eGSSA Branch http://www.eggsa.org/. Hereinafter cited as Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Bapt.).
5.[S21] Date estimated by compiler, Delia Robertson and, unless there is corroborating information, should not be considered as anything more than a guide.
6.[S392] NGK G1 1/1, Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Mar), 1665-1695: ao' 1684
den 15. October Jan Andriesen van Coninghsbergen, jonghman en vryburger en Lysbet Janssen van de Caep., transcribed by Richard Ball, Norfolk, England, (May 2006), Genealogical Society of South Africa, eGSSA Branch http://www.eggsa.org/. Hereinafter cited as Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Mar).
7.[S204] Dr. J. Hoge, Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, 1652-1806, Archives Year Book for South African History (Cape Town: Government Printer, Union of South Africa, 1946), pg. 7. Hereinafter cited as Personalia.
8.[S397] NGK G1 1/1, Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Bapt.): Anno 1670
Den 29 Junii
een dochtertje van Henrick van Zuerwaarden en Margrietje Frans syn huysvr' wiert genaamt Weijntje Holmorsen tot getuygen stonden Dirck Bosch en Lijsbeth Jans, 1665-1695, Genealogical Society of South Africa, eGSSA Branch http://www.eggsa.org/
9.[S325] Baptism Register, Palmkronieke I Baptisms.
10.[S397] NGK G1 1/1, Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Kerken Boek (Bapt.): 1690
Den 20 Augusti aen Stellenbosch een kindt ghedoopt waer
van vader is Andrijs Oelofs, de moeder Sara v[an]
Gijselin, als getuijge stondt Lammert van Hoff end[e]
Lijsbet Jans genaemt Leendert, 1665-1695, Genealogical Society of South Africa, eGSSA Branch http://www.eggsa.org/
11.[S325] Baptism Register, Palmkronieke I Baptisms, Katrina, d'Vader Jacobus van Eden, Moeder Regina Kristina, getuygen Hendrik Loots met Lijsbeth Jansen, 24 July 1712.
12.[S325] Baptism Register, Palmkronieke I Baptisms, Jan Andries, d'Vader Laùrens Jansse, d'Moeder Anna Pieters, getù Lysebet Janse 18e Jùnij [1713].
13.[S325] Baptism Register, Palmkronieke I Baptisms, Maria, de Vader Jan Jacobse, de Moeder, Antonette, getn' Hans Jùrgen Potgieter en Lysebet Janse, 29 Janry 1719.
14.[S325] Baptism Register, Palmkronieke I Baptisms, Cornelis, d'Vader Cornelis Camfer, d'Moeder dorothea Oleofse, getn' Andries Jonker en Lysbet Jans, 4e Meij 1721.
15.[S204] Dr. J. Hoge, Personalia.
16.[S150] Edited & augmented by GISA Originally compiled by J.A. Heese & R.T.J. Lombard, South African Genealogies 5 L-M, GISA SA Genealogies (Stellenbosch, South Africa: Genealogical Institute of South Africa, 1999), p. 204. Hereinafter cited as S.A. Genealogies 5 L-M.

And

http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/person/Johann-Andresen-Jan-de-Jonker-a/148888701-1015212

Lijsbeth married Johann Andresen on 15 Oct 1684 in Cape Town, Cape Colony, South Africa. (Johann Andresen was born about 1652 in Koningsberg, Prussia, Germany and died about 1697 in , Cape Colony, South Africa.)

bullet Sources of information or noted events in their marriage were:

• Web Based Info. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g6/p6929.html

And

http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/person/Johann-Andresen-Jan-de-Jonker-a/148888701-1015212

Lijsbeth next married Hinrich Loos about 1700.

bullet Sources of information or noted events in their marriage were:

• Web Based Info. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g6/p6281.html
Author's best estimate Abt 1700

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